Episode #003: How Your Customers See Themselves with Bruce Turkel
In this Episode of The Buyer’s Mind with Jeff Shore:
Did you know you have a brand? Did you know your customers have a brand? Whether you know it or not everyone has a personal brand. And if your company’s brand doesn’t align with your customer’s personal brand you’ll never make the sale. Bruce Turkel explains why you need to understand that it’s not about you, it’s all about them.
Topics we’re going to cover on today’s podcast:
- [4:37] Quote of the Day!
- [6:44] Sales Tip of the Day
- [8:54] Branding Miami
- [10:30] Anyone can brand. Can’t they?
- [15:02] Sales vs. Marketing
- [17:10] What brand says about you
- [23:34] All About Them
- [27:12] Personal brand
More about our guest Bruce Turkel
Bruce has helped create some of the world’s most compelling brands including Miami. Bruce has worked with Hasbro, Nike, American Express, Charles Schwab, Citicorp, Discovery Networks, Bacardi, Sol Melia Hotels, Azamara Club Cruises and many more great companies.
A captivating speaker and author, Bruce has spoken at MIT, Harvard, TEDx, and hundreds of corporate and industry conferences. Bruce appears regularly on FOX Business and has been on CNN, ABC, CBS, and NPR. He has been featured in The New York Times, Fast Company, Communication Arts, and AdWeek.
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Jeff: Do you wanna connect with your customer on a deeper level than you ever have before? It will help where you understand their very own personal brand. Stay tuned to learn more.
Announcer: Welcome to the Buyer’s Mind. Where we take a closer look deep inside your customer’s decision-making mechanism to reverse engineer the perfect sales presentation. Now, please welcome your host Jeff Shore.
Jeff: Welcome everyone to the Buyer’s Mind, a podcast for sales and marketing professionals where we investigate exactly what is going on in the brains of prospects who are considering a purchase decision. And nitty and the gritty of buyer psychology if you will. And my take on this is that if I understand the way that a buyer wants to buy, if I understand the process by which they make decisions, I can reverse engineer my sales presentation and that’s what this podcast is all about. It’s about taking a stroll through the mind of a buyer. But we’ll like to have some fun along the way and celebrate this world of sales. I think you’ll enjoy it. I’m your host Jeff Shore you can read the full bio in the show notes or you can visit jeffshore.com, sign up for our free weekly video newsletter. Little Saturday morning inspiration, just a few minutes long to help you get your weekend started off right. And make sure you stay with us because we’re running a contest here and you do not wanna miss it at the end of the podcast we’ll tell you how to win some great stuff. I’m joined by our show producer, Mr. Paul Murphy. Murph, how you doing today?
Paul: Hey Jeff, it’s great to be with you today.
Jeff: Thank you. I got to tell you, Murph, I was in the Phoenix airport here just last week and Facebook has a big standing display there, in the middle of the airport where you can try out virtual reality and I put on the headset and the music that went along with it and I stood there and I took this tour and it was just absolutely mind blowing. I would do it again tomorrow. You’re the tech guy, what do you see as the future of virtual reality?
Paul: Well, coming from the video world I have to say that virtual reality seems to play best when it’s in games. Not so much movies because movies are something you experience just watching them but virtual reality immerses you into that world and so my middle son who’s into video gaming I would say is more into virtual reality by the nature of what gaming does. Gaming immerses you into an experience, and that’s what virtual reality does.
So the most interesting thing that I’ve heard of is a VR game called Snow World which helps burn victims to endure the painful treatments that they go through. Because their focus is on the game and not the treatments, they’re able to get through so much more of the treatment and heal faster because of a VR game.
Jeff: That is absolutely amazing, that is really really cool. And yeah, if you’re gonna go through something like that, having something that just completely takes all of the senses seems that it would be a great distraction. That is awesome. I’m looking for now…have you tried the VR gaming? Have you put on the headset there? What do you think?
Paul: So I don’t have any personal experience with the VR headset or actually doing any kind of VR games. I can only imagine as an entertainment piece that it just doesn’t work for movies. But in a game sense, it does bring you into a community of players and you’re able to look at a virtual world that you wouldn’t otherwise be able to really imagine.
Jeff: Right, right. Well, there’s no question. It’s…it is the wave of the future. I think we’re gonna see more and more commercial applications by way of how we demonstrate product and how we see things that are just coming off the shelf on VR, very cool. Well, let’s talk about today’s show and I wanna start with a question. Do you ever feel like you are disconnected from your customer? Like you’re trying but it’s not clicking and you sense some amount of distrust. You haven’t done anything wrong, but the customer just seems resistant. You know what I’m talking about?
Well, I know because I am that guy. When I’m actually considering buying something I can be surprisingly closed when I’m talking to a sales person. Now that said, I know me well. And if you choose to know me well as well, I’ll do whatever you tell me to do. You can lead me where ever you think I need to go so long as I believe that you’re acting in my best interest. And on today’s show, we’re gonna look at how to understand your customer in a very unique way, by understanding the concept of personal brand. It’s a fascinating way to be able to see your customer through different eyes.
Well, in each episode we throw out there a quote of the day. This one today comes from the Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu, who says, “At the center of your being you have the answer. You know who you are and you know what you want.” Now if we can apply that in a deeply philosophical way, we can ask those important questions of life. But I look at that quote and how it applies to your customers. Deep down each prospect has a personal brand. It may not be well defined but they know who they are and they know what they want. The question is, do you get that? Do you understand that? How does your brand, your company brand, your product brand match with theirs? And this is appropriate as we kick off this episode which is all about knowing our customers and along the way learning a thing or two about ourselves.
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Now coming up in just a few minutes I’ll talk to the foremost expert on branding today, Bruce Turkel. I first met Bruce at the National Speakers Association convention several years ago and I have to tell you that is not an easy audience to speak to but Bruce had the room mesmerized. Bruce understands this thing called “brand” more than anyone else that I’ve ever met. But today we’re gonna look to find the intersection between your company’s brand and your prospects personal brand. I guarantee you this is mind blowing stuff.
Before we get to that we’re gonna bring you our sales tip of the day and it is this, “If you really want to understand your customer think plus one.” Now, what do I mean by that? I’m referring to one more piece of information. Your customers answering a question and they give you some insight but you wanna go plus one, a little deeper dive. The technique to get there, tell me more. You can make a living off of the phrase, “Tell me more.” This very casually, very comfortably. So tell me more about that. Just think of yourself like a counselor. That is what counselors do. It is their most popular question, “Tell me more about that.” And in all of its iterations. Why is that important to you? Okay, how did you come to that conclusion? It’s just that plus one. When you think you understand a customer, dive a little deeper. Then here’s my suggestion, practice this in your daily life. Make it a life habit. You will learn so much more about people, about prospects, about friends, about the waiter at the restaurant you go to tonight if you just go one level deeper. This is where the real gems of information are found. Think plus one and get to know your customer like you never have before.
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Well, let’s go to our interview. Bruce Turkel has helped create some of the world’s most compelling brands including a brand called Miami. We’re gonna definitely unpack that. How does one go about branding a city? I’d kind of like to know. The client list is remarkable: Hasbro, Nike, American Express, Charles Schwab Citicorp, Discovery Networks, you name it. He’s a speaker, he’s an author, he’s all over the place and he is the leading authority on the subject of branding. Please welcome Bruce Turkel. Bruce?
Bruce: Thank you, Jeff, thank you very much.
Jeff: Glad to have you here. You created a brand called Miami. I think that bears a little bit of explanation there.
Bruce: Well, it’s interesting. I grew up here. I was actually born in Miami beach and I grew up here and it was always a dream of mine to be able to market my hometown. And that dream came true. Unfortunately, it came true just a couple years after Time Magazine had us on the cover with the headline Paradise Lost and Miami Vice was playing up all the bad things that were happening here. As I tell people when I would travel 20 years ago and people would say, “Where are you from?” I’d say “Miami” and they’d say, “Oh.” Now, when I travel people say, “Where you’re from?” I say, “Miami” and they say, “Oh.” That same word but said in such a different way is what we did for the city. We changed the way the city was perceived, we changed the perception that the consumers had, visitors had for what they would find when they got here.
Jeff: That’s…that is so cool and other cities have mirrored that. You see it on a regular basis the cities that had a really bad reputation say, “Hey, what has happened?” We saw it in Miami, we saw it in Manhattan. Very, very cool. You’re a brand expert and that’s interesting to me because I sense that just about everybody thinks that they’re brand expert in some way. It’s sort of like everybody says, “I do marketing.” Do you really? But you have the bonified sir, is there something, is this something you’ve always had a knack for? Did you stumble it? How does one become a brand expert?
Bruce: You know it’s funny, it’s the three things that every American man can do. I can coach football better than that idiot down there. I can drive that car around the track faster than those morons and I can make better ads than that garbage you see on television.
Bruce: You’re right Jeff. If everybody thinks they can do it and in fact, they can do it. They just can’t do it well, and that’s the difference. Wasn’t something I always had a knack for. Well, I started in design. I got to design degree and I opened…I worked at design firms and I opened a design firm and then I moved…I morphed it from there into advertising but what I found really turned me on and really mattered. My clients who were trying to sell more product was not how they changed their operations or even how they designed their products, that was critical mind you. But what really mattered was the way their consumers and more importantly their potential consumers thought about them. What was the perception that consumers had about the product they were buying? And whether you’re talking to salespeople about to go into a room with a prospect or you’re an employee in a big company or you’re working in the marketing department of a company trying to sell that company’s products, what the customer thinks about what it is you’re trying to sell matters more than anything. So a good 20, 25 years ago we moved more and more into understanding brands and building brands.
Jeff: I find that fascinating because I…when you look at what the brand that the CEO is thinking that he or she carries for that company might be a complete disconnect from the sort of ill-defined vague brand. Maybe it’s a very clearly defined brand on behalf of the customer that might be in complete opposite of what that CEO is thinking.
Bruce: Yeah, you’re absolutely right and that happens so often because people have it very clear in their minds what they do and what they sell but unfortunately most people in business, most salespeople deal with function. Because it’s our job as businesspeople to keep function operating. To make sure our product works, to make sure our product is manufactured on time, to make sure the distribution chain is humming along, to make sure that we can keep our prices competitive, and ultimately although all those things matter and they matter critically don’t get me wrong, but ultimately the consumer doesn’t really think of any of those things. And it’s what the consumer thinks of the product that matters the most, it’s not function. All the things you mentioned, all the things I mentioned what we call RTB’s. Reasons to believe. Once I tell you why my brand matters to you, I can then back it up with all the things I spend so much time, money, and effort working on every single day, the RTB’s. But it’s not the way to lead.
Jeff: But even there you have to understand the avatar of your customer well enough to know that this is a reason for them to believe because we see that disconnect too. I certainly see it in the sales standpoint where a sales person is absolutely a true believer in something that brings relatively little to the customer.
Bruce: Well exactly right. Obvious understanding of that is the title of my new book, “All about Them”. Them is not the CEO, them is not the CMO, them are not the people in the company. Them is the customer, the sales message, the positioning and ultimately the brand must be all about them. Stop talking about yourself, start talking about why you matter to them.
Jeff: I have to assume that the entire world is kind of a branding playground for you, is that…first of all is that accurate? And secondly, are you more likely to go, “That’s cool” or “What were you thinking?”
Bruce: Yes. The whole world is a branding playground a couple ways. First of all, everything you see every company that’s trying to market themselves or every politician that’s running for office is really when you peel the onion back, building a brand. So everything that I watch is an educational opportunity for me. But the other reason it’s a playground is we get to work all over the world. Going around and showing people how to do this and you said it exactly right. Sometimes we say, “Oh, that was awesome. Boy, I wish I had thought of that. That’s cool.” And other times you think, “Really? That’s what you came up with?”
Jeff: It’s…it is, I mean look. I don’t pretend to be a marketing expert. I’m a sales guy but even I can smell it a mile away and usually I think it’s because I’m seeing it as a consumer and I go, “What you think your brand is right now is nowhere close to what I think your brand is right now.” And that’s where the disconnect…it really turns me off. I end up looking at it as a consumer and saying I don’t really wanna be a part of that because you’re not being genuine right here.
Bruce: What…you just said a couple things in that one sentence, a couple of very very important points. I love what you said that you’re a sales guy, you’re not a marketing expert, because the kiss of death I find so often is when you go into a company and they introduce you to the Director of Sales and Marketing. Since they are both such entirely different disciplines, although let’s be honest, one cannot function without the other but they’re very very important.
Bruce: And both make a huge difference. Then you even said something more important which is that the brand is all about authenticity. We now as consumers, have such ability to access information that there is just no way a company can pull one over on us unless we let them do it. There’s two ways that we let them do it, either we don’t care enough to look into who they are and what they do. When we’re so romanced by what it is they’re telling us and what it is they’re showing us that we allow it to happen anyways. But the truth is today if you’re not expressing your authenticity two things happen. Number one, your customer will know you’re a fraud because again they can go online and find out anything they wanna know about you almost immediately. But number two, if you’re not selling your authenticity, you don’t have very much else to sell because everything else you do a customer can buy it somewhere else. Of course, they can’t do it as well as you do it, they can’t do as intelligently as you can do. I know because you and the listeners are the best at in the world. I get that. However, thanks to the democratization of media, thanks to the internet which allows us to access anyone anywhere anytime for anything. If we don’t give the world our own authenticity, we’re just another purveyor of stuff.
Jeff: So that separation, that unique authenticity is really a way to stay out of the commodity trap then because like for me, for example, I’m brand loyal to Infinity, I’m on my fourth Infinity. When it’s time to buy another car, it’s easy for me. I’m so brand loyal that I don’t even think about it. It’s where I am going to go first because I believe in the authenticity of the brand but if I didn’t carry that brand, boy now it’s a commodity. I’m just trying to figure out what’s the right car, with the right features, with the right price, and it’s a much more difficult process for me.
Bruce: I love the car analogy because autos are a great example. First of all, everyone in your audience knows about every car brand so when we talk about them they know what we’re talking about although they may never have actually thought about it very strongly. But number two, to go back to what we talked about earlier. The importance or lack of importance of function. The function of an automobile is to get you from point A to point B. If a car does not do that, you’re not buying it. But just because a car does do that doesn’t mean you’re buying it anyways.
Bruce: And I respect your love for the Infinity brand. If you’re honest with yourself I don’t think you can really convince me that an Infinity gets you from point A to point B better than a sim…you know a Mercedes Benz or a Hyundai or a Chevy or whatever from a functional point of view. Even a brand evangelical like you would admit that the other…you’ve rented cars. They will get you there.
Bruce: But there is something deeper. And what that deeper is, is a combination of the authenticity of the brand and the fact that the brand now says something about you. We used to say you are what you eat. We now say you are what you consume. And an Infinity in your driveway says something about who you are as a person, a professional, and really talks about how you wanna promote your brand.
Jeff: I have to tell you that just as a real quick story. I’m an Apple guy, you’re an Apple guy, and the story is a little dated but I just love it when it because it speaks to brand alignment so much. And you remember the commercials way back when to the two guys standing next to each other, I’m a PC, I’m a Mac, right? And the PC…
Bruce: Perfect example.
Jeff: Absolutely. The stodgy…You don’t wanna be that guy and even though when I…when those commercials came out, I mean I was…I didn’t look like he was the original hipster, right? I didn’t look like a hipster, I had already lost my hair but I still…I wanted to be that guy and associate with the guy. Well, I’m sitting at an airport and waiting for my flight. I open my computer. I start to work. A guy sits next to me at the exact same time opens his computer. I’ve got a Mac, he’s got a PC. Five minutes later I look over at him and he’s still waiting for his virus scan to finish and meanwhile, I’ve gotten in five minutes of work. He looks at me, he go…this what he say, he looks at me and goes, “You know that commercial for Apple you know? Yeah. I’m the fat guy.” That’s what he says. And I just love that because not only did Apple point out who I am, he pointed out who he doesn’t want to be. That’s a stroke of genius as far as I’m concerned.
Bruce: They were phenomenal ads, Jeff. I’m so glad you brought that up because they also pointed out something else that we’re discussing. No one in those ads or to tell you the truth, nowhere in any of the advertising or marketing that Apple does do they talk about function. In the computer business, it’s called Speeds and Feeds. How many megahertz, how many megawatts, how many kilobytes, whatever. Apple doesn’t talk about any of that stuff. You’re not buying the product because of function, function is critical to its operation, but you’re buying something else. You’re not the fat guy as you so clearly put it.
Jeff: I wanna shift gears here a little bit. We talk about corporate brands but I wanna get into personal brands and I’m coming at this with the idea that we all carry this often vaguely defined sense of what a personal brand is and it reflects in our clothes, in our cars, and our restaurant choices. How real is that concept of personal brand?
Bruce: Well, the concept is as real as the concept of branding a company or branding a destination or branding anything else. People make decisions very quickly the minute you walk up what’s that old saying, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. And your brand how it presents your authentic self and then more importantly how it confirms and reinforces it over time is exactly what it is your customers are buying because anyone who believes that the product you sell them they can’t get anywhere else is kidding themselves. They’re not just buying a product, they’re buying a product from you. And what they’re buying from you is what your personal brand tells them about who you are and why you matter to them.
Jeff: So that means that on…at least on a non-conscious level we are seeking out a brand alignment. We may not be at the top of our list, I might ask you what’s important to you and you might say, “Well it’s the price and it’s the features and it does this or this.” But the bottom line is I want to go find that brand alignment.
Bruce: Well, absolutely and I love what you said about. It may not be on top of the list, it won’t be on the list. Someone might say, “I wanna trust the salesperson.” Or you know, “I wanna hire an employee that I can relate to if you’re looking for a job or that’s the product you’re selling.” But mostly people don’t think about that, it’s like going to a therapist and the therapist says, “Well Jeff, I understand your problem, now tell me what you feel.” And you say, “Well I think that.” And you start talking. The therapist will interrupt you and say, “I didn’t ask you to tell me what you think. I asked you to tell me what you feel.” But most of us don’t operate on that level, we don’t really see how those things affect us, but they do. And they do it so strongly that once we understand what we’re presenting, what we’re projecting, and why it matters, everything starts to change because we become so much more powerful. Once we’re able to give our audiences what they want and how they can both mirror and adhere to what it is we’re showing them. What do the Beatles say at the end of Abbey road? In the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. And I know that’s kind of a woo-woo way of explaining it but it really makes a lot of sense. We get what we put out. It works because people say, “I wanna be around that person. I want some of that. I trust I like, I enjoy.” Whatever the adjective is what they offer.
Jeff: Let’s talk about the book then because I think this is a good segue, and I’ve penned six books myself and every book has been written to some extent out of a sense of frustration, right? I don’t ever want to write a book just because I have a message and dang it, I wanna share it. I mean every book that I’ve written has been to try and meet some sort of need, and when you were describing even the title all about them earlier in the episode, you were talking about it. I could almost hear that frustration in your voice that marketers are getting this wrong because it’s all about us. Talk to us about the origin and why you felt it necessary to write the book in the first place.
Bruce: I spoke at a conference on Saturday last weekend and I was explaining to the folks in the audience, a professional group, about how they could build their personal brands in order to sell their professional services. And at one point I’m going through all the different points many of which are counterintuitive. And a woman in the audience put their hand up and she says, “Can I ask you a question? We’re all successful, we’ve all been doing really well in our businesses but if I listen to everything you say, you’re suggesting that most of what we did we did wrong. Is that true?” And obviously, I learned a lesson about how I have to present…
Bruce: …counterintuitive messaging. There was a big lesson for me but the other thing I said was, “No, no, no. You didn’t do anything wrong, the problem is nobody teaches you this stuff.” You go out there and you start building a business or building a sales team or building your own personal or professional service and nobody says to you, “Here’s what matters. Here is how you make it happen.” So yes. In fact, I have had a level of frustration because when I go explain these things to people they often look at me like I have two heads. Then when I use examples, some of the examples of the folks we’ve worked for, some examples of politicians because those are timely branding lessons for them. When I do that, you can see the eyes opening up, you can see the darkness kind of fading away and people going, “Oh, I get it.”
Now the origin of this book is a little bit different. My last book also based out of a frustration I had come out in 2007, it was called “Building Brand Value”. And it was about how you built a brand, the seven steps to building a brand. And I wrote it specifically because we would pitch business and we wouldn’t always win the business and then I would watch what the winners would do for these potential clients and I was so frustrated because I thought they did such a bad job. And it dawned on me. If I could spend my time showing them the right way, teaching them the right way to build a brand, then when we presented those protocols they’d get it because they knew what it took.
Of those seven points, the first one was all about them. And what happened was over the next seven or so years that I spoke about the book, I spoke in a lot of universities, I spoke in a lot of marketing departments a very very large Fortune 500 companies. And I would ask the marketing people, asking me the book do me a favor and don’t just review it, but tell me if I left anything out, tell me if you see any sickness. Not only did they not see anything missing but it dawned on me over time that the first rule all about them was the most important of all seven. And if you got that right, you could actually drop the ball on a lot of the others and it wouldn’t matter.
When I went to my publisher with a new book idea he said to me, “Oh, so then you gonna write six more, that’s genius. You have the seven points and now you’re gonna write a book at each point.” But I’m not gonna do that. It was just at this one point, all about them was so important.
Jeff: Yeah. It’s interesting you talk about building a personal brand and you had just said we build our personal brand in order to sell our professional services and really as a foundation for what that customer is gonna connect to. When you look at your personal at the Bruce Turkel personal brand, it’s very interesting. You…you’re not afraid to put yourself out there I mean you talk about politics for crying out loud, who talks about politics? You can’t talk about politics. How much do you think about your personal brand? Or do you just look at it and go, “You know what, my brand is authenticity. This is who I am, you like it, great. If you don’t like it, yeah, it’s fine too. How much you think about your personal brand?
Bruce: Well, I think about it all the time obviously because I’m not gonna succumb to the problem that the cowboy’s kids have no shoes. But I think you brought up something very interesting when you said if you like it fine if you don’t like it fine. I have a buddy that I run with, four to five mornings a week. We spend a lot of sweaty miles alongside each other talking and talking about business. And one of the things that I’ve been trying to impress on him is that not everybody who asks about your product or service is a client.
If you try to modify who you are and what you do to fit everybody, you’ll wind up fitting nobody because you’ll be pablum, you’ll be uninteresting. Not everybody’s a customer. So he has a price he charges for his professional fees, they’re pretty expensive. But when someone hems and haws and wants to do it for less or work by the hour, he used to be willing to do that. I’ve explained to him. Somebody who won’t pay you…let me just make these numbers up. Somebody who won’t pay you $15,000 probably won’t pay you $12,000 and they probably won’t pay you $9,000. You know what that person is called? Not a customer. Therefore, modifying who you are and what you do doesn’t make any sense.
As far as the politics go, I always try to preface it by saying, listen, I’m sure you like a candidate and I’m sure you hate a candidate. I’m sure you’re partisan and I’m sure you have very strict and solid beliefs. And I’m not here to question any of that. Your politics are your own business. But I wanna play up what just happened in this election or I wanna talk about what just happened in this instance. Because the branding lessons are so powerful, afterwards, “Hey, Jeff you wanna go to the bar grab a beer and we can argue politics? Let’s go.” But right now I always tell them I’m not talking about politics.
So I gave a course once on presentation skills and I said to people, “In my opinion, Bill Clinton is the best speaker I’ve ever seen.” And part…some of the people in the room applaud, some of the people in the room boo. And I said what I just said to you. “Hey listen, when we get done with this you wanna meet in the bar and have a drink? Let’s do it and we can argue politics.”
My guess is when I’m done with my thing…with my course here, you won’t know which side I’m on because that’s not what I’m here for. But if you like Bill Clinton, then you dislike Elizabeth Dole. If you like Elizabeth Dole or if you don’t like Elizabeth Dole, whatever. The point is I’m gonna talk about both of them and then I’m gonna talk about Aristide from Haiti and I’m gonna talk about Jose Marie from Costa Rica because I saw them all speak and what they did are all lessons that you need to learn. Who’s better at it than the people who get us to vote for them? And so if you close yourself off to that because your partisanship does not allow you to look at it from 50,000 feet, the only person you’re doing a disservice to is yourself.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah absolutely. We’re just about at time. You mentioned three entities a brand essentially. There’s a company brand, there is a customer’s personal brand, and then there is a sales person’s brand, any tips from the book about how a sales person approaches the idea of how they could both understand and then be true to their own personal brand?
Bruce: Well, absolutely. I believe that the tools, the branding tools that I’m trying to share work across the board. So in the first chapter, I talk about kids out of college looking for their first job and writing a resume, and how to apply these tools to their resume. To your point, I talk about politics, I talk about automobiles, I talk about medical health care, I talk about all these different things and I talk about salespeople, and how they can apply these tools. By the way, any sales person who tells you, “Oh, it doesn’t matter, it’s just price, it’s just product.” Ask them if they’d ever get up in the morning and go to a sales call and not put on the right suit or the right outfit. That’s by the way in marketing that’s called packaging, we all do it. Products get packaged and salespeople package themselves. Ask any sales people would you not learn all the information you need to not only answer your potential customers’ questions but to overcome their objectives? That’s simply called research. And all marketers do research to understand their product and their customer.
What I’m trying to say is that the techniques that marketers have used for years to make one product worth more than another even though if you peel back the onion, the products are almost identical. Those differences are the same differences and the same tools that salespeople can use and profit from.
Jeff: Fantastic. Great stuff, great stuff. If you wanna learn more about Bruce Turkel you can go to bruceturkel.com. That’s T-U-R-K-E-L.com. You could buy the book, “All about Them” on Amazon, Barnes and Noble or wherever you wanna find that but you really wanna look at this to try and figure out how to establish your personal brand.
Bruce, I can’t thank you enough. Absolutely fascinating stuff. My head is spinning with thoughts and ideas that I need to unpack but really really good stuff. Thanks for being on the show.
Bruce: It was a real treat Jeff, thank you for inviting me.
Jeff: You betcha. What great stuff with Bruce Turkel. I mean how often do you get to talk to somebody who rebranded an entire city? That was very very cool. Murph, any immediate reaction to that conversation?
Paul: So my takeaway was that as a company you need to stop talking about yourself and start talking about why you matter to your customer.
Jeff: Yeah, the whole idea of each and every customer carrying their own brand anyway. And so if I carry my brand into an environment and now you’re talking all about your product, your features how great it is, and there’s a conflict with my brand, then you are Charlie Brown’s teacher at that point. I’m not hearing, it’s just wa, wawa wawa. I’m not hearing a word that you’re gonna say at that point. So it seems to me that that sense of personal brand that we carry around become something of a filter by which we evaluate goods and services as consumers. Does that make sense?
Paul: Yeah, it does make sense. I mean we hang out with people that usually like the same things that we do and so we want our personal brand to line up with brands that we associate ourselves with.
Jeff: Do you have a pet brand? Is there a favorite brand out there that you look at and you go, “Oh, I love this brand over here?”
Paul: I guess of all the brands out there as a video person I like Sony and that’s because of the quality that they project and that’s what I wanna see in the productions that I make is that kind of quality.
Jeff: Right. I love it. And you get some brand loyalty and you start adopting that brand. I mention in the interview my brand preference for Infinity, I’m an Apple guy. I think we can really take this all the way down into just about anything even to the restaurants that we choose to eat at. But what it really comes down to is that I feel better where there is a brand alignment. I don’t really think I’ve given that as much credit as I probably should, but when there is a strong sense of brand alignment with a company that I’m doing business with whether buying their goods or taking their service whatever it is, I don’t think I’ve paid enough attention to how important that brand alignment is. And I think for our listeners, you have to look at it from that same perspective. Your customer has a personal brand that is more important than your personal brand or your company’s brand. Ultimately, we do our best work when all of those things are aligned but it starts as we just heard from Bruce Turkel, it starts when you start thinking all about them. Great, great stuff.
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